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Bardamu's avatar

This was a great write-up and I appreciate you sharing it. You pose a lot of interesting questions as part of this and here are some of my thoughts as a man reading it:

I don't think I can speak for all men but the way I feel about women, and the way I believe most men feel, is that I want to not hurt them. Women only understand relative physical weakness in the way you phrased it, "acknowledging that you likely have significantly less upper-body strength than even chemically castrated men is a hard pill to swallow", but women don't understand how frightening it is to know that you are attracted to a being that your existence is hazardous to.

Men are disgusted by men who want to hurt women. Men who are actually misogynistic tend to crowd together in niche communities because it's the only place they are accepted. This doesn't change that men know our bodies can injure women and are constantly stuck between knowing that and wanting to protect the women we are with. I cannot tell you how profoundly frightening it is to hold the woman you are with and realize how small she is compared to you. Sex is exhilarating both because it's pleasurable and because it's scary to feel this warm creature against your body and know that she is so fragile but wants you to do these things to her. (I'd recommend reading some of Aella's research in this area as well wrt differences in sexual interests/expectations between men and women, it may change how you perceive normal male desire)

What you insist on calling Misogyny is not actually a hatred of women. The vast majority of men do not hate women as an entire class. What they feel is trapped between the wish to be desired by a woman, and the shame of their own difficulties achieving and maintaining relationships, and develop social/emotional complexes to manage these feelings. Actual misogyny is one response to this, but there are plenty of others: simping, contractual relationships, promiscuity, pornography, religious norms, etc.. No matter our feelings on these, there needs to be an actual solution. "Men should all just get over it" is not a solution to the male desire/shame complex. People never "all just" do anything.

Further, the idea that women are in some way "entitled to male sexual attention" to learn about their own sex is objectifying and really not meaningfully different from the idea that men are "entitled to female sexual attention" to satisfy their need to be desired. An actual co-equal relationship is not predicated on men or women using sex to satisfy their personal needs, but on men and women wanting to give sex as a gift to the other partner.

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Aziza Akili Allen-Weston's avatar

Absolutely beautiful & so well thought out. Thank you for your story, it’s given so much new language to my own!

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